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Re: De Vaux VIN location?

Thanks for putting up the pictures I sent to Terry.

Yes, Norman DeVaux tried many times to find success. After the DEVo he bought the dyes of the Cord to work a deal to use them on the Hup mobile and the Graham. The results were the Hollywood Graham and the Hup mobile Skylark.
After that failure, he and his wife lived in a "shack" in Globe, Arizona as he tried to make it in mining. After one failure, he started working a copper mine in the Globe area. His wife Myrtle died in 1955 and is buried in the family Mausoleum in Colma, California.
In 1964 DeVaux left the mine and made his way to his daughter's home in Gainsville, Florida. Along the way he stopped at the home of his 1st cousin in Ohio. David DeVauxs grandfather was the cousin to Norman DeVaux. David had stated to me that he and his father found their DeVaux for sale in Michigan. In a twist of fate, ass I compared car numbers, I realized they had bought the car from a retired teacher in Grand Rapids. who was Barry Palmer, the co-author of the first DeVaux registry.
DeVaux made it to Florida and passed away a few months later at his daughter's home. I do have family pictures that were sent to me by his granddaughter. Howard Reinke, Myron Cummings and I had conversations with her, and she decided to put a gravestone marker on his grave. She had a picture of Myron's red coupe imbedded in the marker.
It turns out that the copper mine in Globe is now owned by Phelps Dodge and is considered a major producer of copper.
Some time back, my wife and I went to the mine in Globe, and I was given a private tour by the superintendent. I have to admit that Al is my son-in-laws dad.

Where Are You From? Washington State

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Re: De Vaux VIN location?


I have some new information from Terry Shea at Hemming's that Alexis de Sakhnoffsky was actually an employee of Hayes. While I understand that his new drawings for the De Vaux were not used, and that the old Hayes bodies were given new fenders, hood, and grille...isn't it possible that this older Durant body was also designed by de Sakhnoffsky as well? Here is Terry's excerpt from his article on De Vaux from 2018:

Starting with leasing an idle building at the Hayes plant in Grand Rapids, Michigan, (which was connected by a bridge to the building where De Vaux bodies were made by Hayes) and repurposing the vacant Durant factory in Oakland, the De Vaux-Hall company took advantage of its relationship with Hayes, whose star designer Alexis de Sakhnoffsky, of Cord L-29 fame, styled the car. With a vee-shaped grille and a longer hood than the Durant it was based on, along with black fenders on all models contrasting with the main body color, the De Vaux had an appearance all its own.

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Re: De Vaux VIN location?

Hard to say .. the Count's life is on that link I provided

Between 1926 and 1929 many de Sakhnoffsky designed vehicles won awards at competitions that took place at Beaulieu, Berlin, Bournemouth, Cannes, Le Touquet, Monte Carlo, and Nice. In Monaco, his work won Grand Prix medallions for 5 years straight: 1926 with a Minerva, 1927 with a Minerva, 1928 with a Rolls-Royce, 1929 with a Packard, and 1930 with a Cord. De Sakhnoffsky recalled "fate was good to me."

Content with his reputation as one of Europe's top automobile designers, de Sakhnoffsky set his sights on his next goal, repeating his Continental success in America. He relates:
"I started thinking seriously about going to America. Though ever-since my adolescence, I dreamed about living in America and gaining recognition, I never wanted to arrive as an immigrant and proceed from scratch to establish a reputation. If I was to come at all, it had to be on my own terms: crossing on a deluxe liner with a substantial contract in my pocket.

Although de Sakhnoffsky had signed no written contract with Hayes he knew they had obtained a special dispensation from the State Department to import him as a 'skilled specialist', due to an overfilled Russian quota, and understood they expected him to stay with the firm for at least a year.

It was mutually decided that both Hayes and de Sakhnoffsky were obligated to serve the best interest of the stockholders, so he signed a contract agreeing to stay with Hayes for the next 12 months. Hayes attorneys provided him with the following excuse to provide to Macauley. As the original 2-year work visa was issued to Hayes, and not de Sakhnoffsky, his resignation could result in his immediate deportation back to Belgium. Apparently it pacified Macauley as he repeated the offer four years later at which time the stylist had no reason to decline it.

De Sakhnoffsky left Hayes as soon as his two year contract was up and started taking on various free-lance assignments, one of his first projects being the design of a 15' metal runabout for the Mullins Mfg. Co. of Salem Ohio. The firm is best known today as the manufacturer of the diminutive 'Red Cap' travel trailer, but during the early thirties they were producing metal fishing boats under the Sea Eagle trade name. The March 12, 1931 issue of the Sheboygan Press included a description of their new de Sakhnoffsky-designed craft:

I kind of doubt the Count had anything to do with Durant bodies with Durant being around since 1921. And there's another puzzle De Vaux used left over Durant bodies with have to be prior to 1930. De Vaux tin covered wood, 3 hinge door's and swing out windshield. 1930 and up Durant steel posts, all steel Budd doors, crank up front window. So what 28 / 29 model Durant body used ??

Now this info from the Hayes part of the same site Note hired 1929 by Hayes so Durant bodies are not his. And we know the Count was long gone before De Vaux was even made. Hayes only used Count's design of fenders, hood and grill.

A number of talented body designers and engineers worked for Hayes, the most famous being Count Alexis deSakhnoffsky. Following a short stint at Vanden Plas in Belgium, deSakhnoffsky emigrated to the United States and was hired by Hayes as their art director in 1929. For his personal Cord L-29, he designed a striking coupe that won him the Gran Prix at Monaco’s 1929 Concours d'Elegance and the Grand Prix d'Hommeur at the 1929 Beaulieu Concours. The gorgeous aluminum coachwork was built by Hayes, who at the time were also building series-built custom bodies for the Chrysler Model 75 dual cowl phaeton.

In 1930 Hayes signed a three-­year contract to build bodies for the American Austin/Bantam that were designed by deSakhnoffsky, and later made a deal to supply bodies for the 1931-32 DeVaux. Although DeVaux advertisements stated that deSakhnoffsky had designed the cars coachwork, in reality the bodies he designed weren’t actually used. Instead, leftover Hayes-built Durant bodies were supplied to DeVaux with deSakhnoffsky-designed fenders, hood and grill to update them. By the time the DeVaux appeared, deSakhnoffsky had been hired away by Packard’s Edward Macauley, and was in no position to complain.

De Vaux, Continental, Durant Motors and Dominion Motors are all welded to one another at the hip and used bodies / parts. The Durant 22A engine head fits the 40A as do, other Durant parts. The 680 De Vaux, 685 Frontenac, 633 Durant all use same body, instruments, and fenders.

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Do You own a car built by Durant? 1932 614 sedan made by Dominion Motors


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