OKAY GENTLEMEN....WE HAVE A MEMBER IN NEED.
HE IS IN NEED OF A RIM FOR AN M-2 DURANT 2 DOOR SEDAN (WOOD WHEEL).JUST THE RIM...IT MEASURES ONLY 3 1/2 INCHES ACROSS TOP OUTER EDGE FROM SIDE TO SIDE....MOST OTHERS HE FINDS MEASURE MORE LIKE 4 INCHES...CAN ANYBODY TELL US WHAT IS THE PROBLEM ? I THINK THE M-2 WAS A 4 CYL STAR OF 1927 CALLED AN M-2 DURANT IN 1928....ARE THE WHEELS STAR SIZED OR SOMETHING /????? DOES ANYONE HAVE ONE OF THESE 3 1/2 " RIMS.....TIME IS A FACTOR SO PLEASE SPEAKUP...THE RIM HAS TO BE SENT TO NEW YORK ADDRESS.FOR OUR CANADIAN FRIEND JAMES...PLEASE HELP ME HELP OUR FELLOW DURANTONIAN IN HIS MOMENT OF NEED...IT IS HE ONLY THING KEEPING HIM FROM DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD....THANX, REGARDS, GARY KAUFFMAN

Do You own a car built by Durant? two

Can't help but seems to me Jim Hall of Aylmer Que with 28 D roadter was also looking for that smaller sized rim. Had an ad in Partner last year looking for one. The 28 is smaller than 29.

Do You own a car built by Durant? 1932 614 Sedan

THAT IS WHO I AM TRYING TO HELP. HE IS NOT COMPUTER WISE AND HE IS RUNNING OUT OF GOOD HEALTH AND WOULD LOVE TO SEE HIS CAR ON THE ROAD.....

Do You own a car built by Durant? two

ah, well why didn't ya say so at 1st .. sheesh. All that NY address stuff. (yes cross border problems again so US post office and pick up there. Worse now without a passport to cross to the US as of Jan)

Haven't met Jim yet since the 60's but hes across the Ottawa River from me. His e addy is wrong in the ad in Partner. "Sympatico" not what is shown. ahall000@sympatico.ca. His wife Ann does the emails but prefers a phone call.

Seems the 28 is 3 1/2 inch wide and 29 is 4 inch wide. Typical D's lets not make everything the same. He's got 3 just missing the 4th.

Do You own a car built by Durant? 1932 614 Sedan

Gary & Norm:
I believe you can use a Model T Ford rim. All you need to do is redrill the hole for the valve stem. There should be enough Model T rims around Aylmer that he could try one and see if this is possible. The 3 1/2 inch rim fits a 23 inch wheel and the 4 inch rim fits a 21 inch wheel, but the OD of both are 30 inches. The 3 1/2 inch rim takes a 30 x 3.5" tire. The 4.5 inch rim takes a 21" x 4.5 inch tire) (3.5 + 3.5 +23 = 30) (4.5 + 4.5 +21 = 30)
Gord

Do You own a car built by Durant? Frontenac 1932

Hummm Gord, I wonder what Jim has. I was told it was a 28 roadster (didn't keep the pics Steve sent me or can't find them) Per Terry's site that M2 takes 28 x 4 1/2 oversized balloon tires. M4 also the same. 40 same. 60 29 x 5.00.

Lost me on all this. I know Steve's 60 has 4.75 / 5.00 x 19 as I have his old ones on Dorothy until I can afford the correct ones or 5.25 / 5.50 x 19 used only on 32 Durant's, per Simco Tire books on all car makes tires (and was on the car when I got it). Questioned Simco on it and they have the old books and for some reason 28 - 31 D's have 4.75 / 5.00 x 19. (orig 4.75 x 19) 1932 D's only the bigger.

Do You own a car built by Durant? 1932 614 Sedan

jim told me he had 19 inch tires and a 3 1/2' wide rim.....not 21 like t's.....

Do You own a car built by Durant? two

Gary:
A Model T has 23" wheels. That is why a 30 x 3 1/2 tire fits. 23" + 3 1/2" + 3 1/2" = 30"

If you are talking to him find out just what the tire size is on the rims that he has, if he has tires on them.


Gord

Do You own a car built by Durant? Frontenac 1932

Per my Ford T book 1925 was 1st year for 21 x 4.40 balloon tires as optional equipment at $25, standard was the 30 clinchers but demountable rims for the 1st time on all body styles. 1926 it was standard 21 x 4.40 and the clincher rim / tires were gone.

Jim's tires are 19's its the rim for some reason is 3 1/2 wide not the 4 1/2 the 28 / 29's have. He / we could have gotten 4 1/2 rims from a number of sources.

Do You own a car built by Durant? 1932 614 Sedan

Norm:
That would make a very small wheel diameter. 19 x 3 1/2 would be 26" I would be interested in knowing the tire size that is printed on the tires he has on the other three wheels, or the size he expects to mount on this replacement rim. I wonder if the tire is 3.5/4.5 - 19 which is a different animal again. The 3.5 is the cross section, the 4.5 is the depth and the 19 the diameter of the wheel.
Gord

Do You own a car built by Durant? Frontenac 1932

Checking as you know Gord. Not talking diameter width split rim width to hold the tire.

Do You own a car built by Durant? 1932 614 Sedan

Intersting to note rereading your mail Gord about 3 1/2 / 4 1/2 x 19 being across and depth. I was talking to Simco tire and Lucas tire, last year ,and both told me there were tires at one time that were 4.75 x 19 and 5.00 x 19 which were combined into one and called 4.75 / 5.00 x 19 to cover both. (same with Dorothys 5.25 x 5.50 x 19). Where you see both numbers they are combined tire sizes.
I do recall the T (490 Chevy and other makes) tires 30 x 3 and 30 x 3 1/2. I do also recall the 5.00 x 19's. Think Stephans 31 D had one of those in the 60's when it came from the Middleville shed. Looked out of place with the 4.75 /5.00 ones. I think one of Dorothys was 5.50 x 19 before I switched to the samller tires for now. Had a heck of a time getting it off the rim or even trying to cut the bead to get it off. I won ,the old tire didn't, but neither did two hacksaw blades. grin.

Do You own a car built by Durant? 1932 614 Sedan

Ok .. Jim's is the standard tire 4.75 / 5.00 x 19. The rim is 3 1/2 width not the 4 inch most are.

Do You own a car built by Durant? 1932 614 Sedan

I would feel that those tires would be too big for that narrow a rim. I will see what sort of reference I can come up with, and consult with other tire people also. In the meantime, keep looking for a narrow rim.
Gord

Do You own a car built by Durant? Frontenac 1932

From all the digging we have done, we have found the following:
The M2, Model 55 and Model 65 for 1928 share the same rim, Durant part number 24304, does not give rim size
The Model 40, 60, 63 and 66 for 1929 share the same rim, Durant part number 26301 and the parts book indicates that this is a 4" rim.
I would assume that that they found that the rim number 24304 was too narrow and suffered from split rims, and that that is one of the reasons for going to a different rim.
We also found out that the rim bolts for the 24304 rim are 2 11/16" and the rim bolts for the 26301 rim are 2 13/16" . Doesn't seem like much, but does indicate a narrower rim.
I would imagine that the narrow rims are scarcer than hens teeth.
Gord

Do You own a car built by Durant? Frontenac 1932

gentlemen, you are awesome durantonians, .I just spoke to jim and he gratefully acknowledges all you are doing to help him solve his wheel problem. he said the T wheel did not work. i offered to find 4 new wheels but with all the work in the spokes and rims done, he is hoping for a "rim " solution because he would be hard pressed to do another set of spokes. if it is necessary, he will try to find a good machine shop that can split and reduce a rim's measurement to what he needs...but....keep on going and keep eyes open for an available 3 1/2" rim for him....
thanx and regards, gary k

Do You own a car built by Durant? two

There you go Gord, sort of the alpha and omega with 28 - 32 D's. Jim can't find his scarce parts for the 28 like my 32 only parts. Where are those hens teeth ?? Can't imagine finding parts for the two remaining 33's of 8 built. Forget hens teeth, just none existant.

I found my mail from Simco from Jan a year back, below.
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I have a book that tells me all cars original equipment size too, and my book says that a 1932 Durant takes a 5.25-19 tire. The 30 / 31's took the 500-19 as your book shows but not the 32's, must have been some reason for changing.

Anyways, in answer to your question about the difference between a 4.75 and a 5.00, there really isn't any difference. In fact, all tires now come as a 4.75/5.00-19 combo tire for all applications. So do your 5.25 tires.

We have a 5.25/5.50-19 Excelsior blackwall available for $155.00 each.
We also have 5.50-19 BFGoodrich with a 3 1/4" whitewall for $258.00 each.
As for tubes they are $32.00 each.

Do You own a car built by Durant? 1932 614 Sedan

I read in a DFR magazine that Durants were equiped with Kelsey or Bimmel wheels in 1928.I believe the wider Kelsey wheels are the most popular. I think the Bimmel takes the narrow rim as the felloe is narrower as are the spokes. A restorer was looking for the narrow wheel rim here in Australia a few years ago. I had many rims in my collection, but no narrow ones
Sid

Do You own a car built by Durant? Yes

aaaahhhaaaahhh! our latest revelation......
bimmel rims are narrower......let us see where that leads us......i think i will have to make a library run to see if Phila Auto Collection can help us.....only time will tell...and we are running out of time.....regards, gary k

Do You own a car built by Durant? two

Where do I send one of these rims?

Dave

DAVE,
THE FOLLOWING ADDRESS IS WHERE TO SEND THE RIM....

TO: JAMES HALL
c/o THE U.P.S. STORE
2981 FORD STREET
OGDENSBURG, N.Y. 13669

IF YOU CALL ME AT YOUR CONVENIENCE I WILL SET UP
REIMBURSEMENT FOR YOU FROM JAMES FOR COST AND/OR SHIPPING.
MANY THANX, GARY K
MY CELL # 610-256-3255
HOME # 610-279-3116

Do You own a car built by Durant? two

NOW IS THIS THE GREATEST CLUB EVER OR WHAT ?????

LET IT NOT BE SAID THAT WE DO NOT RISE TO HELP OUR FELLOW DURANTONIANS....

I AM PROUD TO BE ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF SUCH A GREAT GROUP OF MEN...

REGARDS, GARY K

Do You own a car built by Durant? two