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Stay tuned below with regular Countdown full archival information for each Countdown episode rage shall be airing every Saturday throughout January ...

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Re: rage goes retro '3' - FULL 'COUNTDOWN' ARCHIVAL INFORMATION ON EACH EPISODE - Sat 19th Jan,

Jason "The Moderator"
ohnoitisnathan
Aspect ratios this week:

1st Countdown episode shown - stretched both left and right. Doesn\'t quite touch the watermark, but almost does.

2nd Countdown episode - stretched, doesn\'t touch the watermark.

3rd Countdown episode - overlaps with the watermark. Stupid!

The Factory - thankfully, this one does not seem to have been stretched at all, and aired in its original 4:3 aspect ratio.

GTK - I haven\'t checked yet; I\'m not that interested in this one, but will take a look later on.


I set my timer last night rather than watch it live, so have only fast forwarded through it to check the aspect ratios.
I watched live Pan & Scan and then checked ratios later and saw the 1985 Sting episode with the logo overlapping, arghhh. Glad the other two Countdown episodes were not overlapping even though they are stretched.

Why The Factory aired in it's original aspect ratio, I don't know seeing it's not as precious as Countdown.
My guess is that this episode of The Factory might have been digitised a while back, hence why it's in its normal aspect ratio. The stretched to buggery thing is a more recent affliction.

Re: rage goes retro '3' - FULL 'COUNTDOWN' ARCHIVAL INFORMATION ON EACH EPISODE - Sat 19th Jan,

Bill
Jason, thanks for your info on all the countdown episodes. You typed xmas in the 1985 episode.This is Very offensive! CHRISTMAS is Dear to a lot of people.
I now see what you are talking about, X MAS is actually the way the archivist of the time spelt it for Band Aid's 'Do They Know It's X Mas'. So maybe contact the ABC archivist about such ridiculous matters

Re: rage goes retro '3' - FULL 'COUNTDOWN' ARCHIVAL INFORMATION ON EACH EPISODE - Sat 19th Jan,

Enjoyed The Factory -didn't watch it back then, a fun show and Daddo is a likeable host.How many episodes are there? Thought the idea of a feud between Bros and Brother Beyond was cute, like a couple of kittens having a fight :slightly_smiling_face:

Re: rage goes retro '3' - FULL 'COUNTDOWN' ARCHIVAL INFORMATION ON EACH EPISODE - Sat 19th Jan,

Thats the first time i've seen the 'G' version of Imagination by Belouis Some

Re: rage goes retro '3' - FULL 'COUNTDOWN' ARCHIVAL INFORMATION ON EACH EPISODE - Sat 19th Jan,

Gary
Enjoyed The Factory -didn't watch it back then, a fun show and Daddo is a likeable host.How many episodes are there? Thought the idea of a feud between Bros and Brother Beyond was cute, like a couple of kittens having a fight :slightly_smiling_face:
I was waiting for The Factory to end, it just got all too much. All that Denim jeans with t shirts. All the glamour, colour and creativity of the 80s just diminished into an almost coming of Grunge with Straitjacket Fits. And Tanya Lacey with her bored crap.

I'd love to see nothing past 1986 next year

Re: rage goes retro '3' - FULL 'COUNTDOWN' ARCHIVAL INFORMATION ON EACH EPISODE - Sat 19th Jan,

Am I imagining things - Thompson Twins were mentioned, from memory, during the intro of the first episode shown last night (the first show of '85), with a reference to 'Lay Your Hands' (On Me), but the video was not shown during the episode, and was not mentioned after that.

Also, going by my recording, the first episode shown was a bit shorter than usual for a Countdown episode - only 53 or 54 minutes.

Was the Thompson Twins' video cut, for whatever reason? (either by rage or on the original show that aired). I see it's not listed in the running sheet above.

Re: rage goes retro '3' - FULL 'COUNTDOWN' ARCHIVAL INFORMATION ON EACH EPISODE - Sat 19th Jan,

Tania Lacy is very unfunny agreed!

Re: rage goes retro '3' - FULL 'COUNTDOWN' ARCHIVAL INFORMATION ON EACH EPISODE - Sat 19th Jan,

Gary
Tania Lacy is very unfunny agreed!
I haven't watched any of last night's Factory episode yet, so don't know what her segment was like on this, but I have found some of her other segments shown during retro month on The Factory or Countdown Revolution amusing. Yes, she can be abrasive and mocking of people she interviews, but sometimes she's funny.

Re: rage goes retro '3' - FULL 'COUNTDOWN' ARCHIVAL INFORMATION ON EACH EPISODE - Sat 19th Jan,

ohnoitisnathan
Gary
Tania Lacy is very unfunny agreed!
I haven't watched any of last night's Factory episode yet, so don't know what her segment was like on this, but I have found some of her other segments shown during retro month on The Factory or Countdown Revolution amusing. Yes, she can be abrasive and mocking of people she interviews, but sometimes she's funny.
Sometimes. The main skit was her being bored and finding ways to alleviate said boredom. I liked Daddo much more as a host compared to Mark Little on Countdown Revolution.

Re: rage goes retro '3' - FULL 'COUNTDOWN' ARCHIVAL INFORMATION ON EACH EPISODE - Sat 19th Jan,

Gary
ohnoitisnathan
Gary
Tania Lacy is very unfunny agreed!
I haven\'t watched any of last night\'s Factory episode yet, so don\'t know what her segment was like on this, but I have found some of her other segments shown during retro month on The Factory or Countdown Revolution amusing. Yes, she can be abrasive and mocking of people she interviews, but sometimes she\'s funny.
Sometimes. The main skit was her being bored and finding ways to alleviate said boredom. I liked Daddo much more as a host compared to Mark Little on Countdown Revolution.
Just about anyone would make a better host than Mark Little.

I've watched the first (if there's more than one) Tania Lacey segment on boredom now. It gave me a smile. Sure, it's not 'hilarious', and it's non-music taking up space that could be other content, but The Factory has not aired during retro month for 7 years; it's not like it's on every year. I find it a nice snap-shot of 1989. I don't prefer it to (good) Countdown episodes, but I'd take it any day over Recovery or The 10:30 Slot or a bad Rock Arena.

Re: rage goes retro '3' - FULL 'COUNTDOWN' ARCHIVAL INFORMATION ON EACH EPISODE - Sat 19th Jan,

ohnoitisnathan
Gary
ohnoitisnathan
Gary
Tania Lacy is very unfunny agreed!
I haven\\\'t watched any of last night\\\'s Factory episode yet, so don\\\'t know what her segment was like on this, but I have found some of her other segments shown during retro month on The Factory or Countdown Revolution amusing. Yes, she can be abrasive and mocking of people she interviews, but sometimes she\\\'s funny.
Sometimes. The main skit was her being bored and finding ways to alleviate said boredom. I liked Daddo much more as a host compared to Mark Little on Countdown Revolution.
Just about anyone would make a better host than Mark Little.

I've watched the first (if there's more than one) Tania Lacey segment on boredom now. It gave me a smile. Sure, it's not 'hilarious', and it's non-music taking up space that could be other content, but The Factory has not aired during retro month for 7 years; it's not like it's on every year. I find it a nice snap-shot of 1989. I don't prefer it to (good) Countdown episodes, but I'd take it any day over Recovery or The 10:30 Slot or a bad Rock Arena.
I agree it's a nice snap shot of 1989, which I liked. Thought it was a nice mix of videos, interviews, reviews. Enjoyed the IV with Nadine Gardiner and the Portmans girls! I'd prefer a Factory episode over '87 Countdowns.

Re: rage goes retro '3' - FULL 'COUNTDOWN' ARCHIVAL INFORMATION ON EACH EPISODE - Sat 19th Jan,

As much as I don't love 1987 Countdown's, I'd prefer it to The Factory as at least there would be two 1987 episodes full of music rather than bland reviews on movies and so called comedy from Tania Lacey. Not to mention the ghastly bands like The Proclaimers, Bad Madonna era's of the late 80s and Straight Jacket Fits. At least the Alternative side of 1987 is still a little more 80s than 1989.

Re: rage goes retro '3' - FULL 'COUNTDOWN' ARCHIVAL INFORMATION ON EACH EPISODE - Sat 19th Jan,

Jason "The Moderator"
As much as I don't love 1987 Countdown's, I'd prefer it to The Factory as at least there would be two 1987 episodes full of music rather than bland reviews on movies and so called comedy from Tania Lacey. Not to mention the ghastly bands like The Proclaimers, Bad Madonna era's of the late 80s and Straight Jacket Fits. At least the Alternative side of 1987 is still a little more 80s than 1989.
You think the s h i t e in-studio 'alternative' Australian live bands featured on 1987 episodes are more 80s than Collette?!

Re: rage goes retro '3' - FULL 'COUNTDOWN' ARCHIVAL INFORMATION ON EACH EPISODE - Sat 19th Jan,

1989 is still very "eighties" to me - Collette, Proclaimers and denim jeans & jackets were very much part of my eighties experience. I enjoy The Factory and would even be happy to see retro extend to Countdown Revolution, just not Recovery or 10:30 Slot.

Re: rage goes retro '3' - FULL 'COUNTDOWN' ARCHIVAL INFORMATION ON EACH EPISODE - Sat 19th Jan,

Aside from the difference in music style represented on the shows, Countdown through to Countdown Revolution all focused almost exclusively on studio recordings; whereas 'Recovery' and the '10:30 Slot' were all about live bands performing live in the studio/on stage. Countdown through to Countdown Revolution also focused largely on chart music, and new releases from artists who've had some overseas success, whereas Recovery was more indie/hipster-focussed stuff. These are the major differences between the eras.

A lot of people like Rock Arena, but because it tends to focus largely on one group or artist, or one style of music, for much of an episode, I find the episodes quite hit and miss. Sometimes they're good - when showing some rare videos by artists I like. At other times I think they're c r a p, e.g. that episode shown last year, or whenever it was, where half of the show was an Angels live concert recording. The Factory, in contrast, at least features a range of different artists. Yes, there is too much non-music content in between, but it gives an opportunity to show some less frequently-shown music videos/artists from the late 80s; whereas, many of the music videos shown on Countdown are quite common.

Re: rage goes retro '3' - FULL 'COUNTDOWN' ARCHIVAL INFORMATION ON EACH EPISODE - Sat 19th Jan,

Another thing I like about The Factory is that they consistantly played chart-friendly new release videos, and a fair percentage of those were great songs that didn't quite go on to make the Kent top 100. Particularly throughout 1988 there were many like House Of Shock, Eurogliders, Divinyls, Eurythmics, a-ha, Shakespear's Sister, 'Til Tuesday and many others that I like to imagine were charting somewhere in the top 200 that we were not (and still aren't) privy to. So The Factory captures a great era for me.

Re: rage goes retro '3' - FULL 'COUNTDOWN' ARCHIVAL INFORMATION ON EACH EPISODE - Sat 19th Jan,

ohnoitisnathan
Jason \\\"The Moderator\\\"
As much as I don\\\'t love 1987 Countdown\\\'s, I\\\'d prefer it to The Factory as at least there would be two 1987 episodes full of music rather than bland reviews on movies and so called comedy from Tania Lacey. Not to mention the ghastly bands like The Proclaimers, Bad Madonna era\\\'s of the late 80s and Straight Jacket Fits. At least the Alternative side of 1987 is still a little more 80s than 1989.
You think the s h i t e in-studio \'alternative\' Australian live bands featured on 1987 episodes are more 80s than Collette?!
There were several bands performing in the studio in 1987 on Countdown like Wa Wa Née, The Chantoozies, Swing Out Sister, That’s That, The Models and may I go on who we’re still very 80s and the Alternative bands still sounded rather 80s to me like Spy V Spy, The Pony, The Church etc ... Collette wasn’t even featured live in the studio on The Factory the other night anyway and I do like Collette but she still isn’t as 80s as Stacey Q, Samantha Fox or Bananarama who were all played on Countdown in 1987.Even the hard rock bands like Twisted Sister, Cinderella etc played on Countdown at least looked interesting and had a theme of elaborate over the top make up, you look at Roxus on The Factory and there was no element of any theatrics. 1988 and 1989 are a whole different era of the 80s and l just don’t connect with it as much.

As far as Rock Arena, the show didn’t concentrate on one form of music at all, they had their Black Music section, their Alternative, their Pop and their Unsigned bands.

I found The Factory in general to look very bland the other night in terms of looks and presentation. I used to record some Rare clips from The Factory when it was originally aired but l always missed Countdown and found The Factory to be very hit and miss and the audience had no energy at all, they just sat there with hardly any excitement in the ridiculous corner shoved like some school camp escorted to the stage section when a band appeared in the studio. I recorded more from Countdown and Rock Arena and The Noise at the time but would occasionally get some decent stuff from The Factory like Duran Duran, Sheena Easton and Mandy Smith.

Yes, The Factory did play some rare videos but so did Countdown. Countdown was one of the first shows to feature unsigned bands in the studio without a record deal like Pseudo Echo, The Pony etc and in the early 80s in particular Molly did push for so not popular Top 100 bands to be played like Classix Nouveaux, John Foxx, The Craze, Teardrop Explodes e.t.c...

This after all is a Countdown forum so I am more than allowed to prefer Countdown to The Factory. Glad some of you enjoyed The Factory the other night but l found that it had aged very badly like the late 80s have in general.

Re: rage goes retro '3' - FULL 'COUNTDOWN' ARCHIVAL INFORMATION ON EACH EPISODE - Sat 19th Jan,

Jason ‘The Moderator’
ohnoitisnathan
Jason \\\\\\"The Moderator\\\\\\"
As much as I don\\\\\\'t love 1987 Countdown\\\\\\'s, I\\\\\\'d prefer it to The Factory as at least there would be two 1987 episodes full of music rather than bland reviews on movies and so called comedy from Tania Lacey. Not to mention the ghastly bands like The Proclaimers, Bad Madonna era\\\\\\'s of the late 80s and Straight Jacket Fits. At least the Alternative side of 1987 is still a little more 80s than 1989.
You think the s h i t e in-studio \\'alternative\\' Australian live bands featured on 1987 episodes are more 80s than Collette?!
There were several bands performing in the studio in 1987 on Countdown like Wa Wa Née, The Chantoozies, Swing Out Sister, That’s That, The Models and may I go on who we’re still very 80s and the Alternative bands still sounded rather 80s to me like Spy V Spy, The Pony, The Church etc ... Collette wasn’t even featured live in the studio on The Factory the other night anyway and I do like Collette but she still isn’t as 80s as Stacey Q, Samantha Fox or Bananarama who were all played on Countdown in 1987.Even the hard rock bands like Twisted Sister, Cinderella etc played on Countdown at least looked interesting and had a theme of elaborate over the top make up, you look at Roxus on The Factory and there was no element of any theatrics. 1988 and 1989 are a whole different era of the 80s and l just don’t connect with it as much.

As far as Rock Arena, the show didn’t concentrate on one form of music at all, they had their Black Music section, their Alternative, their Pop and their Unsigned bands.

I found The Factory in general to look very bland the other night in terms of looks and presentation. I used to record some Rare clips from The Factory when it was originally aired but l always missed Countdown and found The Factory to be very hit and miss and the audience had no energy at all, they just sat there with hardly any excitement in the ridiculous corner shoved like some school camp escorted to the stage section when a band appeared in the studio. I recorded more from Countdown and Rock Arena and The Noise at the time but would occasionally get some decent stuff from The Factory like Duran Duran, Sheena Easton and Mandy Smith.

Yes, The Factory did play some rare videos but so did Countdown. Countdown was one of the first shows to feature unsigned bands in the studio without a record deal like Pseudo Echo, The Pony etc and in the early 80s in particular Molly did push for so not popular Top 100 bands to be played like Classix Nouveaux, John Foxx, The Craze, Teardrop Explodes e.t.c...

This after all is a Countdown forum so I am more than allowed to prefer Countdown to The Factory. Glad some of you enjoyed The Factory the other night but l found that it had aged very badly like the late 80s have in general.
Stacey Q (Don't Make a Fool of Yourself), Bananarama (Love, Truth & Honesty), and Samantha Fox (Naughty Girls (Need Love Too)) were all played on The Factory too - the clips shown in parentheses all definitely aired on The Factory.

Singling out Roxus as an example of how much worse music was in 1989 is like using Painters & Dockers (who performed on Countdown in 1987) as an example of what music was like in 1987. It's just not accurate.

Of course you can like Countdown and loathe The Factory if you want to - nobody is suggesting you can't. We're just saying some of the things we liked about the Factory episode. It's not to everyone's taste, but then neither is every Countdown episode.

Yes, there is some s h i t on The Factory, particularly during the in-between segments. But not everything on Countdown is gold, either... in my opinion.

You're right that the audience doesn't seem as energetic on The Factory as they do on Countdown but then, don't forget that The Factory I don't think has the benefit of the pre-recorded audience cheer.

The Factory probably won't air again during retro month for another few years, if not longer. Wall to wall Countdown will be back much sooner.

Re: rage goes retro '3' - FULL 'COUNTDOWN' ARCHIVAL INFORMATION ON EACH EPISODE - Sat 19th Jan,

ohnoitisnathan
Jason ‘The Moderator’
ohnoitisnathan
Jason \\\\\\\\\\\\"The Moderator\\\\\\\\\\\\"
As much as I don\\\\\\\\\\\\'t love 1987 Countdown\\\\\\\\\\\\'s, I\\\\\\\\\\\\'d prefer it to The Factory as at least there would be two 1987 episodes full of music rather than bland reviews on movies and so called comedy from Tania Lacey. Not to mention the ghastly bands like The Proclaimers, Bad Madonna era\\\\\\\\\\\\'s of the late 80s and Straight Jacket Fits. At least the Alternative side of 1987 is still a little more 80s than 1989.
You think the s h i t e in-studio \\\\'alternative\\\\' Australian live bands featured on 1987 episodes are more 80s than Collette?!
There were several bands performing in the studio in 1987 on Countdown like Wa Wa Née, The Chantoozies, Swing Out Sister, That’s That, The Models and may I go on who we’re still very 80s and the Alternative bands still sounded rather 80s to me like Spy V Spy, The Pony, The Church etc ... Collette wasn’t even featured live in the studio on The Factory the other night anyway and I do like Collette but she still isn’t as 80s as Stacey Q, Samantha Fox or Bananarama who were all played on Countdown in 1987.Even the hard rock bands like Twisted Sister, Cinderella etc played on Countdown at least looked interesting and had a theme of elaborate over the top make up, you look at Roxus on The Factory and there was no element of any theatrics. 1988 and 1989 are a whole different era of the 80s and l just don’t connect with it as much.

As far as Rock Arena, the show didn’t concentrate on one form of music at all, they had their Black Music section, their Alternative, their Pop and their Unsigned bands.

I found The Factory in general to look very bland the other night in terms of looks and presentation. I used to record some Rare clips from The Factory when it was originally aired but l always missed Countdown and found The Factory to be very hit and miss and the audience had no energy at all, they just sat there with hardly any excitement in the ridiculous corner shoved like some school camp escorted to the stage section when a band appeared in the studio. I recorded more from Countdown and Rock Arena and The Noise at the time but would occasionally get some decent stuff from The Factory like Duran Duran, Sheena Easton and Mandy Smith.

Yes, The Factory did play some rare videos but so did Countdown. Countdown was one of the first shows to feature unsigned bands in the studio without a record deal like Pseudo Echo, The Pony etc and in the early 80s in particular Molly did push for so not popular Top 100 bands to be played like Classix Nouveaux, John Foxx, The Craze, Teardrop Explodes e.t.c...

This after all is a Countdown forum so I am more than allowed to prefer Countdown to The Factory. Glad some of you enjoyed The Factory the other night but l found that it had aged very badly like the late 80s have in general.
Stacey Q (Don't Make a Fool of Yourself), Bananarama (Love, Truth & Honesty), and Samantha Fox (Naughty Girls (Need Love Too)) were all played on The Factory too - the clips shown in parentheses all definitely aired on The Factory.

Singling out Roxus as an example of how much worse music was in 1989 is like using Painters & Dockers (who performed on Countdown in 1987) as an example of what music was like in 1987. It's just not accurate.

Of course you can like Countdown and loathe The Factory if you want to - nobody is suggesting you can't. We're just saying some of the things we liked about the Factory episode. It's not to everyone's taste, but then neither is every Countdown episode.

Yes, there is some s h i t on The Factory, particularly during the in-between segments. But not everything on Countdown is gold, either... in my opinion.

You're right that the audience doesn't seem as energetic on The Factory as they do on Countdown but then, don't forget that The Factory I don't think has the benefit of the pre-recorded audience cheer.

The Factory probably won't air again during retro month for another few years, if not longer. Wall to wall Countdown will be back much sooner.
At least Painters and Dockers had a punk attitude to them.

Hair Metal Hard Rock bands at least had some GLAM to them in the 1984 to 1986 era, by 1989 there was no trashy camp to their looks at all with Roxus and other hard rock bands by 1989 so that is why I mentioned Roxus. Yawwwwwwn

And as far as Bananarama, they are my all time favourite girl band and I went to London in 2017 to see them with Siobhan but I loathe their 1989 tacky era and can’t stand Jacquie.

Bring on wall to wall Countdown’s next year as l knew that with these themes this year that January would lead to The Factory which demonstrated that wasting time with reports on toilet urinals, boredom and surage plants were of no benefit to retro time for MUSIC and Recovery hell coming this Saturday.

At least Countdown, even 1987 concentrated on music, Molly May have mentioned sports but they didn’t show 15 minutes of it

Re: rage goes retro '3' - FULL 'COUNTDOWN' ARCHIVAL INFORMATION ON EACH EPISODE - Sat 19th Jan,

Jason ‘The Moderator’
At least Painters and Dockers had a punk attitude to them.

Hair Metal Hard Rock bands at least had some GLAM to them in the 1984 to 1986 era, by 1989 there was no trashy camp to their looks at all with Roxus and other hard rock bands by 1989 so that is why I mentioned Roxus. Yawwwwwwn

And as far as Bananarama, they are my all time favourite girl band and I went to London in 2017 to see them with Siobhan but I loathe their 1989 tacky era and can’t stand Jacque.

Bring on wall to wall Countdown’s next year as the themes this year I knew that with these themes January would lead to The Factory which demonstrated that wasting time with reports on toilet urinals, boredom and surage plants were of no benefit to retro time for MUSIC and Recovery hell coming this Saturday.

At least Countdown, even 1987 concentrated on music, Molly May have mentioned sports but they didn’t show 15 minutes of it
Jacquie gets a raw deal from some 'fans'. She wasn't as involved as the others (well, overlooking Keren's often vanity let's-split-it-three-ways songwriting credits) creatively - but they wouldn't allow her to be. She was just a salaried performer, effectively, and had little to no say in how the group did anything. The girls didn't want her in the group - she was forced upon them by everyone around them telling them that Bananarama needed to be a 3 piece. Any wonder she wanted out. Just as Siobhan did again. I think Sara is the problem with Bananarama, personality/politics-wise.

As for Roxus, I'm not a fan, but in retrospect, 'Stand Back' was alright. Painters & Dockers were, in my opinion, just another boring pub rock band. Roxus at least had some synths on some of the tracks.

No trashy camp in 1989? Hello, Collette and Reynolds Girls!

Re: rage goes retro '3' - FULL 'COUNTDOWN' ARCHIVAL INFORMATION ON EACH EPISODE - Sat 19th Jan,

ohnoitisnathan
Jason ‘The Moderator’
At least Painters and Dockers had a punk attitude to them.

Hair Metal Hard Rock bands at least had some GLAM to them in the 1984 to 1986 era, by 1989 there was no trashy camp to their looks at all with Roxus and other hard rock bands by 1989 so that is why I mentioned Roxus. Yawwwwwwn

And as far as Bananarama, they are my all time favourite girl band and I went to London in 2017 to see them with Siobhan but I loathe their 1989 tacky era and can’t stand Jacque.

Bring on wall to wall Countdown’s next year as the themes this year I knew that with these themes January would lead to The Factory which demonstrated that wasting time with reports on toilet urinals, boredom and surage plants were of no benefit to retro time for MUSIC and Recovery hell coming this Saturday.

At least Countdown, even 1987 concentrated on music, Molly May have mentioned sports but they didn’t show 15 minutes of it
Jacquie gets a raw deal from some 'fans'. She wasn't as involved as the others (well, overlooking Keren's often vanity let's-split-it-three-ways songwriting credits) creatively - but they wouldn't allow her to be. She was just a salaried performer, effectively, and had little to no say in how the group did anything. Any wonder she wanted out. Just as Siobhan did again. I think Sara is the problem with Bananarama, personality/politics-wise.

As for Roxus, I'm no a fan, but in retrospect, 'Stand Back' was alright. Painters & Dockers were, in my opinion, just another boring pub rock band. Roxus at least had some synths on some of the tracks.

No trashy camp in 1989? Hello, Collette!
Trashy camp for hard rock bands, l made that clear if you read my post. And I said l liked Collette but she did have more of a closer to 1990 sound compared to 1987’s Stacey sound which is why L mentioned Miss Q xxx

Siobhan actually wanted to stay in Bananarama this time around as l met her several times in the UK and Bananarama have said Siobhan May be back at some point. Jaquie was just an imposter and Sara and Karen didn’t want her in the band but London Records wanted a replacement and Sara and Karen have made it clear they wanted to continue as a duo but had no control.

Re: rage goes retro '3' - FULL 'COUNTDOWN' ARCHIVAL INFORMATION ON EACH EPISODE - Sat 19th Jan,

ohnoitisnathan
Jason ‘The Moderator’
At least Painters and Dockers had a punk attitude to them.

Hair Metal Hard Rock bands at least had some GLAM to them in the 1984 to 1986 era, by 1989 there was no trashy camp to their looks at all with Roxus and other hard rock bands by 1989 so that is why I mentioned Roxus. Yawwwwwwn

And as far as Bananarama, they are my all time favourite girl band and I went to London in 2017 to see them with Siobhan but I loathe their 1989 tacky era and can’t stand Jacque.

Bring on wall to wall Countdown’s next year as the themes this year I knew that with these themes January would lead to The Factory which demonstrated that wasting time with reports on toilet urinals, boredom and surage plants were of no benefit to retro time for MUSIC and Recovery hell coming this Saturday.

At least Countdown, even 1987 concentrated on music, Molly May have mentioned sports but they didn’t show 15 minutes of it
Jacquie gets a raw deal from some \'fans\'. She wasn\'t as involved as the others (well, overlooking Keren\'s often vanity let\'s-split-it-three-ways songwriting credits) creatively - but they wouldn\'t allow her to be. She was just a salaried performer, effectively, and had little to no say in how the group did anything. The girls didn\'t want her in the group - she was forced upon them by everyone around them telling them that Bananarama needed to be a 3 piece. Any wonder she wanted out. Just as Siobhan did again. I think Sara is the problem with Bananarama, personality/politics-wise.

As for Roxus, I\'m not a fan, but in retrospect, \'Stand Back\' was alright. Painters & Dockers were, in my opinion, just another boring pub rock band. Roxus at least had some synths on some of the tracks.

No trashy camp in 1989? Hello, Collette and Reynolds Girls!
The Reynolds Girls song was so lol bad! As for camp lets not forget Transvision Vamp or Deee-Lite.

Re: rage goes retro '3' - FULL 'COUNTDOWN' ARCHIVAL INFORMATION ON EACH EPISODE - Sat 19th Jan,

Jason ‘The Moderator’
Trashy camp for hard rock bands, l made that clear if you read my post.
You can't tell me that this is not trashy camp for a 'hard rock'* band:



They were huge in '88-'89.

(*OK, well they're not really 'hard rock', but if you're counting Twisted Sister and Roxus as hard rock, then Poison are too).

Re: rage goes retro '3' - FULL 'COUNTDOWN' ARCHIVAL INFORMATION ON EACH EPISODE - Sat 19th Jan,

Jason ‘The Moderator’
Siobhan actually wanted to stay in Bananarama this time around as l met her several times in the UK and Bananarama have said Siobhan May be back at some point. Jaquie was just an imposter and Sara and Karen didn’t want her in the band but London Records wanted a replacement and Sara and Karen have made it clear they wanted to continue as a duo but had no control.
I'm not sure what Jacquie was meant to be pretending to be when she she joined the group. She has said that she realised she made a huge mistake early on in joining the band, and that it was run like a very slick business, which she wasn't expecting.

Do you really think that Keren & Sara's output post-1991 is better than what they did together with Jacquie on 'Pop Life'? Sure, that wasn't all down to Jacquie's departure, but there's a very noticeable decline in quality (both vocally and musically) when Bananarama became a duo. I like much of 'Ultra Violet', but the vocals are so weak.

I thought you liked 'Love, Truth & Honesty'? That's Jacquie-era Bananarama.

If you ask anyone which decade they associate Collette's music with, very few people would say the 90s. 'Ring My Bell' tried to sound (musically) like Yazz's 'The Only Way Is Up', and that was '88.

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The Bananarama girls should have replaced Siobhan with her sister Maire and made a cover version of "Come On Eileen"

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I knew you would put the Poison cover up but they didn’t look like that in 1989, they put away their make up in 1989, so need l say more ....

When they did Countdown Revolution, they didn’t look like that at all where as when Dee Schneider Of Twisted Sister did Countdown, he at least looked like he did on the record cover.

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ohnoitisnathan
Jason ‘The Moderator’
Siobhan actually wanted to stay in Bananarama this time around as l met her several times in the UK and Bananarama have said Siobhan May be back at some point. Jaquie was just an imposter and Sara and Karen didn’t want her in the band but London Records wanted a replacement and Sara and Karen have made it clear they wanted to continue as a duo but had no control.
I'm not sure what Jacquie was meant to be pretending to be when she she joined the group. She has said that she realised she made a huge mistake early on in joining the band, and that it was run like a very slick business, which she wasn't expecting.

Do you really think that Keren & Sara's output post-1991 is better than what they did together with Jacquie on 'Pop Life'? Sure, that wasn't all down to Jacquie's departure, but there's a very noticeable decline in quality (both vocally and musically) when Bananarama became a duo. I like much of 'Ultra Violet', but the vocals are so weak.

I thought you liked 'Love, Truth & Honesty'? That's Jacquie-era Bananarama.

If you ask anyone which decade they associate Collette's music with, very few people would say the 90s. 'Ring My Bell' tried to sound (musically) like Yazz's 'The Only Way Is Up', and that was '88.
Pop Life is great because of Youth producing the record and if you listen closely, Jacquie is turned right down in the mix and you hear Keren the most followed by Sara on that record. It’s quite brilliant, I have met Bananarama many a time and Sara’s fabulous comment said to us was Jacquie was not very popula which as perfection. She was simply a filler for the group which Keren and Sara only didn’t want in the band, the end.

As much as l like Collette, her sound was basically imitation the UK Acid House scene which was a reeshing scene of the late 80s, yes .... But it was a great underground scene and then some jumped on the scene and made it more commercial. As for pop bands of 1988 and 1989, I was a far cry and big shift from the dazzling ERly and mid 80s with very little glamor and much less exciting technology or analogue synths.

Even Stock Aitken Waterman have said their most creative period was their earl days and have said Kylie and Jason were the best and worse things that happened to them.

The days of class like Princess, O’chi Brown, Brilliant and Dead or Alive, Michael Prince, Agents Aren’t Aeroplanes etc, that was and still is 80s GOLD.

Even though Bananarama are my fav girl band, the first he’s albums will always be their best for me. Their early work with SAW like More Than Physical and Veus was great but he Wow period was not and is not so Wow for me minus Some Girls and Once In A Lifetime.

I loathe I Want You Back, Help and Nathan Jones which were all singles with Jacquie, even though Siobhan sang on the original Nathan Jones and I Want You Back. I do like Love Truth & And Honesty but it hardly compares to the 1982 to 1986 era and again, Jaquie looks horrific as did Sara’s short bleached hair, that is not my Nana era. They have since been brilliant since Exotica as a duo xxxx

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Jason ‘The Moderator’
Pop Life is great because of Youth producing the record and if you listen closely, Jacquie is turned right down in the mix and you hear Kieren the most on that record. It’s quite brilliant, I have met Bananarama many a time and Sara’s fabulous comment said to us was Jacquie was not very popula which as perfection. She was simply a filler for the group which Keren and Sara only didn’t want in the band, the end.
Sara's just Sour-a, really.

I doubt Jacquie's mic was turned way down; she was technically a better singer than the other two, and e.g. did all of the ad libs at the end of 'Long Train Running' (yes, that's her). Keren has (or once had) a decent voice, and was probably the 'best' singer in the Siobhan-era. Siobhan brought some vocal depth to the group, and creativity/songwriting skills. I read someone's comment recently that Pete Waterman suggested Jacquie as Siobhan's replacement, because he knew she could sing and that the other girls needed someone else to boost their vocals, as without a third member it's just too bare.

As much as l like Collette, her sound was basically imitation the UK Acid House scene which was a reeshing scene of the late 80s, yes .... But it was a great underground scene and then some jumped on the scene and made it more commercial. As for pop bands of 1988 and 1989, I was a far cry and big shift from the dazzling ERly and mid 80s with very little glamor and much less exciting technology or analogue synths.


Acid house might have been largely underground in Australia during the late 80s, but it wasn't underground in the UK, where there were many acid top 10 hits.

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ohnoitisnathan
Jason ‘The Moderator’
ohnoitisnathan
Jason ‘The Moderator’
Siobhan actually wanted to stay in Bananarama this time around as l met her several times in the UK and Bananarama have said Siobhan May be back at some point. Jaquie was just an imposter and Sara and Karen didn’t want her in the band but London Records wanted a replacement and Sara and Karen have made it clear they wanted to continue as a duo but had no control.
I\'m not sure what Jacquie was meant to be pretending to be when she she joined the group. She has said that she realised she made a huge mistake early on in joining the band, and that it was run like a very slick business, which she wasn\'t expecting.

Do you really think that Keren & Sara\'s output post-1991 is better than what they did together with Jacquie on \'Pop Life\'? Sure, that wasn\'t all down to Jacquie\'s departure, but there\'s a very noticeable decline in quality (both vocally and musically) when Bananarama became a duo. I like much of \'Ultra Violet\', but the vocals are so weak.

I thought you liked \'Love, Truth & Honesty\'? That\'s Jacquie-era Bananarama.

If you ask anyone which decade they associate Collette\'s music with, very few people would say the 90s. \'Ring My Bell\' tried to sound (musically) like Yazz\'s \'The Only Way Is Up\', and that was \'88.
Pop Life is great because of Youth producing the record and if you listen closely, Jacquie is turned right down in the mix and you hear Kieren the most on that record. It’s quite brilliant, I have met Bananarama many a time and Sara’s fabulous comment said to us was Jacquie was not very popula which as perfection. She was simply a filler for the group which Keren and Sara only didn’t want in the band, the end.

As much as l like Collette, her sound was basically imitation the UK Acid House scene which was a reeshing scene of the late 80s, yes .... But it was a great underground scene and then some jumped on the scene and made it more commercial. As for pop bands of 1988 and 1989, I was a far cry and big shift from the dazzling ERly and mid 80s with very little glamor and much less exciting technology or analogue synths.

Even Stock Aitken Waterman have said their most creative period was their earl days and have said Kylie and Jason were the best and worse things that happened to them.

The days of class like Princess, O’chi Brown, Brilliant and Dead or Alive, Michael Prince, Agents Aren’t Aeroplanes etc, that was and still is 80s GOLD
Sara's just Sour-a, really.

I doubt Jacquie's mic was turned way down; she was technically a better singer than the other two, and e.g. did all of the ad libs at the end of 'Long Train Running' (yes, that's her). Keren has (or once had) a decent voice, and was probably the 'best' singer in the Siobhan-era. Siobhan brought some vocal depth to the group, and creativity/songwriting skills. I read someone's comment recently that Pete Waterman suggested Jacquie as Siobhan's replacement, because he knew she could sing and that the other girls needed someone else to boost their vocals, as without a third member it's just too bare.
Siobhan is my fav Nana and did bring depth o the group, absolutely. Which is why the first three albums will always be my favourite. If you want to talk about a lack of depth, Stock Aiken Waterman gave them that.

Bananarama have been touring as a duo without Jacquie for a long time and fill venues so I doubt they really need her. I would have however loved Siobhan to stay longer and would have loved her to do another album with hem, but not meant to be.

As far as Long Train Running, is no a fav. I love What Colour R The Skies Where U Live and Is Your Love Strong Enough which you. Ant hear Jacquie much.

This thread is now outside the Countdown theme so l shall close it soon,

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Gary
ohnoitisnathan
Gary
Tania Lacy is very unfunny agreed!
I haven\'t watched any of last night\'s Factory episode yet, so don\'t know what her segment was like on this, but I have found some of her other segments shown during retro month on The Factory or Countdown Revolution amusing. Yes, she can be abrasive and mocking of people she interviews, but sometimes she\'s funny.
Sometimes. The main skit was her being bored and finding ways to alleviate said boredom. I liked Daddo much more as a host compared to Mark Little on Countdown Revolution.
I liked Daddo much more as a host compared to Mark Little on Countdown Revolution.


I think Alex Papps had left the factory when this episode was originally aired.

Papps was in H&A, and the Factory was taped in Melbourne.

I didn't mind Tania Lacey, some of her stuff was rubbish though. She was a dancer in that Kylie Minogue Locomotion clip too.

Little was a moron, too old for the countdown Revo crowd back then. Motley Crue thought he was a joke when they appeared on the show in early 1990.



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Acid house was big. Adamski KLF Shamen & S-Express all had huge chart success in the UK. S-Express were big here too. I had the theme from S-Express and Superfly Guy.

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Gary
Acid house was big. Adamski KLF Shamen & S-Express all had huge chart success in the UK. S-Express were big here too. I had the theme from S-Express and Superfly Guy.
Oh, how could I forget 'Theme From S-Express'. That did well on the charts here too.

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10/2/85 was a killer! First episodes of each year blow me away. :grinning: