I was curious enough to go through Troy's lists of what exists in the Countdown library and came across an entry for the 1978 Countdown ep of the Adelaide festival.
The technical notes at the bottom though read as follows:
"Technical Information.: VHS PREVIEW COPY TIME DISPLAYED;EX 2" TAPES BA79S AND AZ1316V ERASED.NOT FOR TX. VPR MASTER TAPE & DIGITAL OC1 HAVE INSTABILITIES ROUGHLY EVERY 40 SECS, SUITABLE FOR SEG (30-90 SECONDS) RETRIEVAL ONLY. NO COMPLETE SONGS RETRIEVABLE FROM THIS TAPE AND CANNOT BE RE-DONE AS MASTER WAS RECORDED BADLY
Miscellaneous.........: ORIGINAL OC1, CWA3530V, MISSING AS AT 13/12/01"
This info mentions TWO 2" master tapes, and the fact that it has "instabilities roughly every 40 seconds". I thought if it only happens once every 40 seconds its not gonna be a bother to us as long as the tape actually locks and they can get even at least *some* of the program off the tape. Though no such luck of that happening with "Ex 2" tapes ba79s and az1316v erased" so they only have a copy tape to work off now, with which these instabilities seem to have also transferred themselves to the digital copy.
The other notable thing is "Original OC1 missing as at 13/12/01". So there was a *third* tape but that's missing...? And the discovery that it was missing happened as late as 2001? If it's missing, is it possible there was a dub on 1 inch tape and its just lost in the ABC archives somewhere?
Food for thought...
Being an Adelaide boy I would love to see this one. I honestly wouldn't mind at all seeing any flaws, etc. This is one of the very few complete 1970's eps Rage have yet to air - would be great just to see it.
Strange about that other copy going missing in 2001 - could just be lost in the archive somewhere there - along with their copy of the 2/9/84 Jackson Victory Competition episode - which at the moment only exists from someone's else's VHS copy which was put up on Youtube awhile ago. Would love to see that one too.
I would LOVE to see this tonight. I would have liked at least an hr and a half of 70s tonight rather than those silly 90s videos!
I know, me too. And I really don't think the dedicated Countdown viewer would care if this 1978 episode has faults in it. Just to see it after all this time would be fantastic - if I was programming January I'd put this in.
Then again I'd put a LOT of things in!
If I was programming January on rage THIS would be on PRONTO!!!!
While we would all love to see it, with the audio dropping out every 40 seconds (which is totally unfixable even with todays modern technology for a show that features only live performances) this will NEVER be shown. Sad, but you couldnt expect them to transmit a show with a fault as bad as that!!
I too would love to see this episode despite it's flaws but as Brett says it's probably never going to happen
Doesn't the ABC have a channel on Youtube these days.
They could download some of it to Youtube surely.
Bob, it's definitely listed as a complete episode not an excerpt or studio performance.
Could be a mistake I suppose?
Interesting, might have to ask Troy what it's all about.
That Sherbert special is mentioned on the 23 January 1977 show by Molly as being repeated the following week with the week after that being the start of the regular season.
If that was all filmed then it must surely exist somewhere - or maybe some of the footage may have been released on a Sherbert DVD perhaps?
The show definitely exists in full. It is called "Around the World in 80 days" and was shown during 1976 and looks as if it was given an episode number as part of the Countdown sequence. I did mention this during my full year-by-year run down of Rage screenings etc in a separate posting here.
I have it somewhere - just have to find it. It wasn't anything startling though - an entire episode devoted to concert footage etc. Still, since they did show the end of 1975 Sherbet special in full on Rage then this one is a candidate for sure.
Original link where mentioned as below
I have left a message to support showing it next year although these messages may be more effective around June-Aug when Rage start compiling their retro footage. May need a reminder message at a later date.
Also saw there was a message there from Kyron who had a go at Troy and Brett for knowing about it but not alerting others to it. I thought that was a bit harsh. Brett assisted me in getting all the Hitscene and GTK information which in turn led me to make it available to everyone on this site and I would think that actions like that are hardly selfish. Troy has set up a 70sCountdown website looking for lost episodes which has great information and anything he finds he puts on YouTube to share - so again I wouldn't think that to be selfish. But that is just the perspective that some have.
Incidently, Matty Knoller is an anagram of Kyron Mallett or am I looking too deep into this???
A bit weasely hiding behind anagrams of your real identity to hurl veiled accusations, hey bob?
I happened to see his latest post before he edited it and it was quite bitter and abusive...
What is this guys problem?
I do NOT understand why there is bad feeling here on this topic with Matty Knoller who is obviously Kyron.
What exactly is the problem. I would like to know?
Did Troy find footage and kept it to himself which has annoyed others or something? Sorry, I am LOST (lol)
Anymore comments abusing Guru and regular posters on this forum will have their comments removed!
It's all OK - I think. There appears to be some crossed wires in the information transmission.
Kyron found out about a possible lost episode of Countdown via Troy's site which I found interesting as I hadn't heard of it.
He then left a barbed comment at Rage suggesting people are withholding footage/information from others which I assumed was aimed at Troy as that is where he found it. As far as I could work out, from comments made, only Troy or Brett knew about it, let alone might have the footage, as I had never before even seen this mentioned. I know Brett personally, thanks to this forum - in fact the only person on this forum that I do know in the outside world - and I know he passes everything that he knows of on to the ABC. He is one of the nicest people I have met. If he has a copy of ABC footage then that means that the ABC would as well. From what I have heard of Troy he does the same. So I assumed it was an unwarranted comment at either of those two which I thought was harsh and said so.
I supported getting it shown but in the process worked out Kyron's anagram thing. I think that last bit upset Kyron so he has lashed out at me about nothing despite me having supported seeing that episode. I then just pointed out some irregularities in his comments.
I then decided to let Kyron/Matty/PeterQ go his own way as he seemed determined to make a point of some sort - no matter how ill informed. I won't add to any of his discussion here unless it relates personally to me or I accidentally don't identify any other future personas he wishes to employ. As far as Rage goes, if he wishes to make a fool of himself I will leave that to his better judgment - particularly if he invites them directly here where they can see the full evidence.
He has now put a comment on Rage suggesting that I support hoarding when I had said "If anyone has done their own private research then I would think they are free to do with that as they please." I was only relating to private research - ie data, as in files or general information - which is totally separate from footage and hoarding which is some sort of bugbear to Kyron. If someone does their own research I don't see why they have an obligation to tell the world about it. I don't agree with the hoarding of footage either but that is how he has interpreted what I wrote.
I'm all for free speech and opinions so I would like to see an unhindered forum but there would need to be some personal restraint in the type of comments made as some are just outright rude.
As far as I am concerned. I believe it's so AMAZING that any footage Troy or anyone finds of deleted Countdown's or any other music programs can be shared so we can all view them BUT in saying that, if Troy or anyone DO find lost footage they actually have NO obligation to share it with anyone if they don't want to!
After all, it's not like the ABC are trying to find lost footage, are they?... The fans do!!! And this may teach ABC and any other television stations to NOT trash their historical archival footage!!!
May I add, I don't delete comments off this forum unless they get extremely OUT OF HAND!
I have just read all these postings in here and in the Rage guestbook and I am afraid this has all become a big storm in a teacup.
The person at Rage that is implying that maybe myself or Troy may be "hoarding" missing Countdown footage is a long way from the truth. The ABC have had this Sherbet 1976 special episode in their archives for a long period of time. I would not have highlighted it to anyone in the past as it is of no personal interest to me at all and that would be the only reason. By all means feel free to request this episode for next Summer or maybe sooner. The Special is called "Sherbet Around the world in 80 days" - song listing is shown below. Unfortunately the Tara database has never been complete in what it locates in the ABC archives.
Thanks Gurubob for the kind words as well - much appreciated and I fail to see what all the fuss was about anyway. I am the last person in the world that would want to hoard any footage and I was responsible for arranging the return of the missing 1977 show to the ABC for tranmission back in the mid-2000's - and which they did do so a couple of years ago.
As Troy had done so much great work on his web page and in his own attempts to locate missing footage (he was responsible for getting the missing 1978 show back to the ABC as well) I arranged for him to make the big announcement regarding the locating of the missing 1977 show at the time. It was at least 5 or 6 years ago now, long before this forum had started. If I manage to discover anything in future (and anything is possible with various contacts and millions of hours of video footage that I get to go through year by year) then I will arrange for the news to go via Troys website as well. It is only fair given his own efforts in this area which often go unrecognised. He is still searching by the way, but very little does turn up. That is really all there is to say.
Given Clive Shakespeares sad passing, it would be great to see this special again - although I am not sure if if he had left and Harvey
James had joined by then - it is dated July 1976. This is also an audio drop-out mentioned which may be a problem
SHERBET BLUESWALKIN' (LIVE AT FESTIVAL HALL)
SHERBET CHILD'S PLAY(LIVE AT FESTIVAL HALL)
SHERBET GIVE ME LOVE (LIVE AT FESTIVAL HALL)
SHERBET HOLLYWOOD DREAMING (LIVE AT FESTIVAL HALL)
SHERBET HOUND DOG (LIVE AT FESTIVAL HALL)
SHERBET HOWZAT (LIVE AT FESTIVAL HALL)
SHERBET IF I HAD MY WAY (LIVE AT FESTIVAL HALL)
SHERBET LADY OF THE NIGHT (LIVE AT FESTIVAL HALL)
SHERBET MOTOR OF LOVE (LIVE AT FESTIVAL HALL)
SHERBET SUMMER LOVE (LIVE AT FESTIVAL HALL)
TED MULRY GANG CRAZY (LIVE AT FESTIVAL HALL)
TED MULRY GANG GOODBYE JOHNNY (LIVE AT FESTIVAL HALL)
TED MULRY GANG I'M FREE (LIVE AT FESTIVAL HALL)
TED MULRY GANG JUMP IN MY CAR (LIVE AT FESTIVAL HALL) NOTE DROP OUTS IN MIDDLE
TED MULRY GANG MAKE YOU WANNA CRY (LIVE AT FESTIVAL HALL)
As far as all this drama is concerned, it's boring.
What isn't boring is if rage were to play Countdown Adelaide Festival from 1978...
I think the fact that the episode is damaged wouldn't really matter to any of us really!!!
I'm away for a few days and all hell breaks loose!
If I knew it was gonna cause this much ruckus I would never have started the posting!
Frankster, KEEP POSTING what you like. There are some complete morons in this world who have very little attention from people and in order to get it they like to bate others!
It would be amazing if Rage finally fixed the audio issues to this episode - would love to see it. I would have thought the ABC would have had a separate soundtrack made to this episode like the BBC used to do with their shows back in the same era.
Fingers crossed we see this one eventually....
Dragon's performance at the Adelaide Festival shown this morning seemed in very good condition.
Was that the live audio remastered, did they overdub another copy of the live audio or was it an overdub from another source? Sounded like the promo of the song and not a live performance (as all performances on Countdown were lip synched to a backing track). If that is the case then surely they can do the same for the other performances as well and show the entire episode.