"I've been thinking of starting up a seperate early summer event called Tag-Out which is an event for strictly tag enthusiasts that really get into the game and develop their own gear....which would be a more serious event, scheduled out like a TagCon and limiting the number of attendees to 30.

We could make TagFest an all LTTO event and Tag-Out an all Steradian event."

The main problem I see with this is that we have people like Mike Yates, Duncan Mackinnon, and others who are now starting to use LTTO as the basis for their mods. Now that Doug Ross has played with LTTO, I can hardly wait to see what craziness he can come up with for it! And people like Flux are creating some great mods that would be a lot of fun to see in the flesh, or in the plastic or whatever. I see a lot of future cross-over between LTTO and homebuilders/modders, and I think this is exactly the sort of thing that gets the more serious people serious in the first place -- the "wow, I had no idea you could do that!" reaction.

Also, the kids absolutely love the sound effects in the Steradian gear, the light-up headbands, and the realistic looks that make the gear so cool. It really helps generate enthusiasm for the higher end of the sport, and it's also likely to attract the parents into games more so than the LTTO gear would.

I really think it would be better to have a LONGER event rather than two seperate events. Having a first full day that is just for the hardcore enthusiasts seems like the ideal solution to me, but I may have an easier time getting off work for this sort of thing than other people do (not having kids at home to worry about helps too).

Well I think we are on to something here. Gear is not that big of a deal.. if anything we can use wow mode. It is when and where and who we need to focus on. I really liked the kids there but come night fall and Larps games it went downhill for me. LTTO is a toy meant for daylight use and it works great for that. So friday will be big boys day/night..Sat day open to the public as such.. Sat night we send all the kids packing and breakout the big unlimiteds?

Some great ideas here. I like the idea of a Friday event before Tag Fest that could be used for Older players (Late teens and up) and custom gear. Maybe one LARP conetst and a few head to head matches. Perhaps an unlimited contest as well to inspire custom builders to push the envelope and use there imagination. Then use Saturday as a general Tag Fest day.

Mike Yates

I think Friday for adult only and Saturday for everyone

That means set up thursday night or early friday AM to be ready to play at noon on friday

I do not mind playing with kids 14 and older, the younger ones are a bit annoying after a few hours, but I love the enthusiasm and energy, plus it means more targets.

I would love more military simulation gaming
meaning fewer tags to get out (like 2 or 3, this gives and advantage to the good hunter who gets the 1st shot in) The games with 10 or 15 tags are a bit annoying)

Also games with more respawns during the games. This goes well with the few tags to get out idea as you can get back in the action with only a 2-3 minute "penalty" for getting tagged.

also Less "down time" while there is daylight burning, I am sure we all agree on that one.

to summerize

games of 30-60 minutes in length
progressively increasing detail and game features (medic, multiple objectives, etc)
few tags to get out
multiple respawns
10-15 minutes of rest between games

Peter Montgomery