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guru
May 10, 08 - 6:34 PM |
what to do
A local mom and pop shop is popular in this town. They actually have tried to hire me a few times, however I have done 5 jobs recently that were previously done by said shop and they didn’t prime the glass and the thane was peeling off the glass, one of which was a sheriff’s car. I want to go to him and let him know there is an issue with his bonding method. I don’t want to bad mouth the guy maybe he just had a bad tech but I am concerned for his customers. I know bad work should put him out of business but I would like it to be for something other than someone dieing. Any thoughts on this moral dilemma would be appreciated.
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Syd
May 10th, 2008 - 6:47 PM |
Re: what to do
For me, I would PERSONALLY visit to discuss. Over the phone just wouldn't work. These are unsafe installs and they 'should' want to know about it. What they choose to do with it is up to them.
I think the key here is that they are a mom/pop that DOES give a crap.
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Sir Slam A Lot
May 10th, 2008 - 6:59 PM |
Re: what to do
I just don't get the priming issue.... I discuss this on my web site, Sure every step is important but I think priming is the most. Very easy step, cheap to do yet a lot of installers just don't do it. I see rusted out vehicles almost every day, I tell my customers, Failing to use primer can take years of the life of a vehicle, I dont get it, Do the job right or DON'T DO IT AT ALL!!!!!
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xs
May 10th, 2008 - 8:38 PM |
Re: what to do
Call agrss police and get them arrested...lol.......
But on a serious note..If you know the owners,just go by and have a talk with owner for the safety of the general public......
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the fixer
May 11th, 2008 - 8:49 PM |
Re: what to do
i think you said not priming the glass? although pinchweld primer is also just as important, this is easy and there is no ethical dilema other than would it be right to not give him a call and an fyi in a polite professional manner i would appreciate the same respect and in our industry it is much needed rather than just the usuall badmouthing that goes on we can all police our own in the proper way and put some professional courtesy back into our industry.
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AGN
May 11th, 2008 - 10:21 PM |
Re: what to do
I don't understand not priming the glass (if your urethane requires it) or the pinchweld. It takes a matter of seconds to prime a pinchweld and even less to prime a glass.
Not taking the time to do it is just being lazy and not caring.
AGN
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xs
May 11th, 2008 - 10:27 PM |
Re: what to do
Easy,cheap urethane doesn't come as kits.they are sold seperately..So these Sunday,backyard,nitetime,sidewalk.hacks with a beat up pick up truck dont buy it and arent trained or just dont care what can happen to people if they dont.....It's sad...........
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scott
May 11th, 2008 - 11:54 PM |
Re: what to do
i went to work for a mom/pop place that wanted quality work. once there i saw the owner install a glass with essex express w/o glass primer. i asked him why no primer he looked at me funny. then he said glass primer? he didnt know because he was use to using primerless. so you should inform him.
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PRO STAR
May 12th, 2008 - 7:35 AM |
Re: what to do
Don't assume that all mom & pops care or do good work thats like assuming that all of safelites techs are hacks we all know thier are good and bad through-out the industry. I you like the guy talk to him if you don't talk to his customer's.
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CaptFubar
May 12th, 2008 - 7:56 AM |
Re: what to do
If you know the owners, go and talk to them. It may be the tech. I've known a few techs that prime before they leave the shop, which doesn't really work with Sika products since the primer is only good for about 2 hours after it's applied. They may also be using a urethane thats considered primerless to glass and it's not working.
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bqa
May 12th, 2008 - 9:21 AM |
Re: what to do
capt fubar,
sika is good for 8 eight hours
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guru
May 12th, 2008 - 5:03 PM |
Re: what to do
thanks guys you confirmed what i thought i already knew. i will stop and have a chat with him tomorrow.
thanks again
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xs
May 12th, 2008 - 7:14 PM |
Re: what to do
Sika aktivator is only good for 2 hours then you have to reprime................
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CaptFubar
May 12th, 2008 - 7:33 PM |
Re: what to do
I've been told that Sika is 2 hrs. and Essex is 8.
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guru
May 12th, 2008 - 8:07 PM |
Re: what to do
the glass in question was not primed at all
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May 14th, 2008 - 1:53 PM |
Re: what to do
If you get the Sika Aktivator pads in your case of thane, look at the paper that comes with it and you will see that it is good for 8 hours. Yet the can type still says 2 hours.
Which is correct?
Any Sika reps out there want to tackle this one?
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AGN
May 14th, 2008 - 4:56 PM |
Re: what to do
When I was using Sika I would put the moldings on before loading the glass in the van, but I would not prime it until I took it out of the van for installation. This always seemed the safest way to me...lay it on the rack while you trim down the pinchweld so the primer can dry.
The sika sales rep did tell me the primer was good for up to 8 hours before it had to be re-primed. He also said it hcould only be primed three times before the glass had to be discarded. This is what he told me when I got certified for Sika.
My biggest issue with priming before putting it in the van is that it rubs up against the rack smudging several primed areas. Another thing is that I work out of the van and often have both the back doors and side door open...any kind of dust or anything could contaminate that primed glass. It just seems safer to prime it shortly before installing it.
AGN
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AGN
May 14th, 2008 - 4:57 PM |
Re: what to do
Oh and also...suppliers usually won't allow you to return a glass that has been primed. What happens if you get out there and have the wrong WS for some reason? Just another reason not to prime. I don't want primed glass just haninging around because I couldn't return it. I don't have the space.
Sorry for the long post.
AGN
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guru
May 16th, 2008 - 6:50 PM |
Re: what to do
well i talked to the owner and manager. this was a problem they knew about and thought had taken care of. he did really appreciate me taking the time to let him know tho. then he offered me a job. go figure.
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xs
May 16th, 2008 - 6:59 PM |
Re: what to do
A buddy of mine that has a auto glass shop a few towns over(former employee)switched urethane's,switched to 3M rapid seal...he used all the primrs and followed directions...he developed many leaks..We Had one come into our shop for r\r.we noticed urethane didnt bond to glass at all.The primer came right off glass.We removed and reset with Sika.(wet scotchbrite)the w\s all around..No problem since.We called our friend and told him about it...He has since went back to Sika...You see there is still respect in the profession.You must extend it to recieve it....
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